Veloteq and the back seat

sport-tandem-bike.jpgI just got off the phone with the person at the MTO that is coordinating this pilot project and the news isn’t great. The Veloteq’s rear seat is NOT for a passenger! We’re to treat the Veloteq like a moped. Bummer.

That said: I’d have no problem getting this thing licensed and insured. It would have to be less money than a moped, if only for the environmental impact.

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7 Comments on “Veloteq and the back seat”

  1. The fact that the seat is large eough to accomodate a passenger does not mean that it is permitted within your jurisdiction. Local ebike regulations prevail. Nontheless, the large seat serves a useful purpose. If you are forced to use the pedals, for example, on a steep grade, you will get better human motive power by shifting your fanny back on the seat, which will give you better leverage for pedalling, thereby also demonstrating that the pedals have a useful function and are not merely window-dressing,

  2. ebikerider Says:

    Thanks for the comment Jim.
    There is something that bothers me though. In my talks with the MTO coordinator of this ebike project, I was told that if it were a “tandem” bike with an electric motor, there would be no problem in carrying two people – as long as both had helmets.

    My question to you Jim, is: are there other jurisdictions where two people are allowed on the Veloteq?

  3. philipmcd Says:

    I’m about to jump into the e-bike world and it has been such a confusing process. Obviously the Veloteq, as nice as it is, can hardly be described as designed for manual use. So how does it manage to fall under the Ontario program? For that matter the I-Zip and the Strong products being sold at Canadian Tire can hardly be considered as bikes designed to be manually propelled (at least not driven by me!).

    Can a Veloteq be driven on a bike path?


  4. ebikerider Says:

    Hi Philip,
    I disagree. I think the I-Zip @ Canadian Tire and other bikes with gears are great for traditional riding – anywhere, on the road, on the trail, in the park, anywhere.

    In theory, I could drive my Veloteq anywhere too, at least according to all the rules and FAQ’s I’ve read. However, I think to do so would freak people out and create negative attention.

    Yes, my Veloteq is technically an eBike, (or E-Bike, but that’s another post). My point is that it’s form factor is more like a “Vespa” style scooter/moped than a traditional bicycle.

  5. ebikerider Says:

    There was another two police officers on a speed trap this morning – so I pulled over and asked question #1: passenger ok yes/no. After listening to my evidence, both officers said that riding with a passenger would be just fine. Again – I totally failed to get any of their badge numbers. My bad.

  6. veloteq Says:

    There appears to be a lot of confusion with regard to the legality of the Veloteq form-factor ebikes under the Ontario Pilot Program. I will attempt to clarify this. The following, excerpted directly from the Ontario Ministry of Transport website, describes the MTO definition, regardless of other misinterpretations that appear to have crept in.

    //Ontario adopted the definition contained in s. 2(1) of the Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations (Canada) and that is:

    “power-assisted bicycle”, means a vehicle that:

    has steering handlebars and is equipped with pedals,
    is designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground,
    is capable of being propelled by muscular power,
    has one or more electric motors that have, singly or in combination, the following characteristics:
    it has a total continuous power output rating, measured at the shaft of each motor, of 500 W or less,
    if it is engaged by the use of muscular power, power assistance immediately ceases when the muscular power ceases,
    if it is engaged by the use of an accelerator controller, power assistance immediately ceases when the brakes are applied, and
    it is incapable of providing further assistance when the bicycle attains a speed of 32 km/h on level ground,
    bears a label that is permanently affixed by the manufacturer and appears in a conspicuous location stating, in both official languages, that the vehicle is a power-assisted bicycle as defined in this subsection, and
    has one of the following safety features,
    an enabling mechanism to turn the electric motor on and off that is separate from the accelerator controller and fitted in such a manner that it is operable by the driver, or
    a mechanism that prevents the motor from being engaged before the bicycle attains 3 km/hr//

    Link to MTO Definition:

    Veloteq began direct discussion with MTO standards engineers in September of 2005. We provided them with numerous references with regard to the implementation of Public Law 107-319 which legalized the use of electric bicycles for on-road use in the U.S. and also the practical implementation of CMVSA Subpar. 2 (1) in British Columbia. We provided MTO with detailed specifications of our products. Thus, they are totally aware of the nature of Veloteq ebikes. No exclusion of these was made with regard to the Pilot Project. Veloteq products have been widely sold in B.C. for four years and were initially inspected for compliance by the ICBC (Insurance Corporation of British Columbia). After minor changes in the wording of compliance marks, they were approved. In addition, for a period of nearly two years, our products were subjected to intense inspection by Customs Canada to insure compliance. They are no longer subjected to these intense inspections.

    If it was the intention of MTO to exclude enclosed fairings, power on demand ebikes from the Pilot Projects, given that they had ample information available as to the nature of their construction and operation, we believe that they would have specifically done so and that, in fact, it was intended that they be included for evaluation under the overall scope of the project. If operators use them in a safe and thoughtful manner, this will be reflected in the legislation that will eventually be enacted at the conclusion of the Pilot Project study.

  7. 1oldschoolebiker Says:

    Has anyone read the Pilot FAQ #27,
    “I see many vehicles that look like scooters advertised as e-bikes. Are they really e-bikes?
    The intent of the ministry’s pilot was to allow e-bikes that look and operate like conventional bikes in order to promote a safe, healthy and environmentally friendly alternative to current transportation modes.

    The ministry has become aware of scooter-style vehicles that technically meet the pilot’s e-bike definition, but not the intent, as they are not primarily operated by muscular power due to their heavy weight. Therefore, in addition to evaluating how safely the e-bike can integrate with other motor vehicles, bicycles and pedestrians, the emergence of the scooter-style e-bikes requires the ministry to also assess if the pilot’s original intent continues to be appropriate. The ministry will clarify its position on the original intent of the pilot when final legislation is drafted. ”

    If I own one of these or about to buy one in Ontario, I would pray!

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